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Topic: Howard Levy-12th positionPosted: March 10 2010 at 11:58am |
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Here's the 12th position scale:
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Playing Positions of the Major Diatonic Harmonica
Prepared for modernbluesharmonica.com by mr_so&so (v.1.1 Feb. 11, 2009) Introduction C Major Diatonic Harmonica The addition of bends, overblows and overdraws (“overbends”) turn the diatonic harmonica into a fully chromatic instrument, and many contemporary blues harmonica players are incorporating overbends into their playing. Even adding just the 4, 5 and 6 overblows to your playing can provide access to rich new musical territory, as will become evident in this document. Table 1 is a map of the notes that can be obtained from a C major diatonic harmonica. Bb Eb (Ab) (C) Eb F# Bb Eb F# B Blow C E (G) C E G C E G C C 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Draw D G B D F A B D F A Db F# Bb Db Ab Db (F) Ab Db F AA b Table 1: Notes Attainable on the C Major Diatonic Harmonica Notes above and below the Blow and Draw rows are bends, except those in italics which are overblows and overdraws. Notes in brackets are redundant; the same note can be achieved more easily or advantageously elsewhere on the harp. The exception is 3 blow, which is used often, but less so than it's equivalent, 2 draw, because of the tonal variations possible in the draw note. Harmonica Tablature We can rearrange the notes in Table 1 above to show the complete three-octave chromatic scale in terms of harmonica tablature, which indicates both the hole number used and how it is played. C Db D Eb E F F# G Ab A Bb B 1+ 1' 1 1ob 2+ 2'' 2' 3+ / 2 3''' 3'' 3' 3 4+ 4' 4 4ob 5+ 5 5ob 6+ 6' 6 6ob 7 7+ 7od 8 8'+ 8+ 9 9'+ 9+ 9od 10 10''+ 10'+ 10+ 10od Table 2: C Chromatic Scale in Harmonica Tablature There is no standard tablature for the harmonica, so this is what is used herein: 3 = 3 draw 3''' = 3 draw bent down three half steps 10+ = 10 blow 10''+ = 10 blow bent down two half steps 4ob = 4 overblow 7od = 7 overdraw Where a note can be obtained more than one way, the more common method is indicated in the tablature (except for 3+ / 2 where both methods are shown so as not to obscure the availability of blow chords, octaves, etc.). Circle of Fifths The “Circle of Fifths” is incredibly useful as a device for summarizing a great deal of music theory. Of particular interest to harmonica players is the following use of the circle. For a given harmonica key, the playing key for each position is determined by counting clockwise on the circle. For music in a given key, the harmonica to play in each position is determined by counting counter-clockwise. Given the notes of any scale or chord, harmonica tablature can be worked out in various playing positions from the C major harmonica Table 2 above. A particularly useful interactive Circle of Fifths is found at http://randscullard.com/CircleOfFifths/. This interactive Circle of Fifths gives ready access to the notes and common chords of the various keys and modes of the major scale. It's all you need along with Table 2, to work out harmonica tablature for whatever interests you. The basic circle of fifths is shown below. Figure 1: Circle of Fifths The following pages provide the major scale and blues scales in each of the twelve playing positions of the major diatonic harmonica, followed by some tablature for common chords used in blues harmonica playing. The tablature tables for the playing positions are generic; they work for any key of major diatonic harmonica, even though the C major harmonica was used to derive them. The playing techniques common in second position, such as three- or four-note chords, tongue-blocked octaves (or “splits”), double stops, etc. are all still available in other positions. However, their effectiveness and appropriateness will vary since they will have a different relationship to the key you are playing in. The individual chord tables help in the exploration of these differences. First Position (Straight Harp) Major Scale Degree / Chords 1 I, IV 2 V 3 I 4 IV, V7 5 I, V 6 IV 7 V 8've I, IV 1st 8've 1+ 1 2+ 2'' 3+ / 2 3'' 3 4+ 2nd 8've 4+ 4 5+ 5 6+ 6 7 7+ 3rd 8've 7+ 8 8+ 9 9+ 10 10'+ 10+ Blues Scale Degree / Chords 1 I, IV b3 IV7 4 IV, V7 b5 5 I,V b7 I7 8've I, IV 1st 8've 1+ 1ob 2'' 2' 3+ / 2 3' 4+ 2nd 8've 4+ 4ob 5 5ob 6+ 6ob 7+ 3rd 8've 7+ 8'+ 9 9'+ 9+ 10''+ 10+ Second Position (Cross Harp) Major Scale Degree / Chords 1 I, IV 2 V 3 I 4 IV, V7 5 I, V 6 IV 7 V 8've I, IV 1+ 1 2+ 2' 3+ / 2 1st 8've 3+ / 2 3'' 3 4+ 4 5+ 5ob 6+ 2nd 8've 6+ 6 7 7+ 8 8+ 9'+ 9+ 9+ 10 10'+ 10+ Blues Scale Degree / Chords 1 I, IV b3 IV7 4 IV, V7 b5 5 I,V b7 I7 8've I, IV 1+ 1' 1 2'' 3+ / 2 1st 8've 3+ / 2 3' 4+ 4' 4 5 6+ 2nd 8've 6+ 6ob 7+ 7od 8 9 9+ 9+ 10''+ 10+ 10od Third Position (Slant Harp) Major Scale Degree / Chords 1 I, IV 2 V 3 I 4 IV, V7 5 I, V 6 IV 7 V 8've I, IV 1' 1 1st 8've 1 2+ 2' 3+ / 2 3'' 3 4' 4 2nd 8've 4 5+ 5ob 6+ 6 7 7od 8 8 8+ 9'+ 9+ 10 10'+ 10od Blues Scale Degree / Chords 1 I, IV b3 IV7 4 IV, V7 b5 5 I,V b7 I7 8've I, IV 1+ 1 1st 8've 1 2'' 3+ / 2 3''' 3'' 4+ 4 2nd 8've 4 5 6+ 6' 6 7+ 8 8 9 9+ 9od 10 10+ Fourth Position Major Scale Degree / Chords 1 I, IV 2 V 3 I 4 IV, V7 5 I, V 6 IV 7 V 8've I, IV 1' 1 2+ 2' 3''' 3'' 1st 8've 3'' 3 4' 4 5+ 5ob 6' 6 2nd 8've 6 7 7od 8 8+ 9'+ 9od 10 10 10'+ 10od Blues Scale Degree / Chords 1 I, IV b3 IV7 4 IV, V7 b5 5 I,V b7 I7 8've I, IV 1+ 1 1ob 2+ 3+ / 2 3'' 1st 8've 3'' 4+ 4 4ob 5+ 6+ 6 2nd 8've 6 7+ 8 8'+ 8+ 9+ 10 10 10+ Fifth Position Major Scale Degree / Chords 1 I, IV 2 V 3 I 4 IV, V7 5 I, V 6 IV 7 V 8've I, IV 1' 1ob 2+ 1st 8've 2+ 2' 3''' 3'' 3 4' 4ob 5+ 2nd 8've 5+ 5ob 6' 6 7 7od 8'+ 8+ 8+ 9'+ 9od 10 10'+ 10od Blues Scale Degree / Chords 1 I, IV b3 IV7 4 IV, V7 b5 5 I,V b7 I7 8've I, IV 1 2+ 1st 8've 2+ 3+ / 2 3'' 3' 3 4 5+ 2nd 8've 5+ 6+ 6 6ob 7 8 8+ 8+ 9+ 10 10''+ 10'+ Sixth Position Major Scale Degree / Chords 1 I, IV 2 V 3 I 4 IV, V7 5 I, V 6 IV 7 V 8've I, IV 1' 1ob 2+ 2' 3''' 3' 3 1st 8've 3 4' 4ob 5+ 5ob 6' 6ob 7 2nd 8've 7 7od 8'+ 8+ 9'+ 9od 10''+ 10'+ Blues Scale Degree / Chords 1 I, IV b3 IV7 4 IV, V7 b5 5 I,V b7 I7 8've I, IV 1 2+ 2'' 2' 3'' 3 1st 8've 3 4 5+ 5 5ob 6 7 2nd 8've 7 8 8+ 9 9'+ 10 10'+ Seventh Position Major Scale Degree / Chords 1 I, IV 2 V 3 I 4 IV, V7 5 I, V 6 IV 7 V 8've I, IV 1' 1ob 2'' 2' 1st 8've 2' 3''' 3' 3 4' 4ob 5 5ob 2nd 8've 5ob 6' 6ob 7 7od 8'+ 9 9'+ 9'+ 9od 10''+ 10'+ 10od Blues Scale Degree / Chords 1 I, IV b3 IV7 4 IV, V7 b5 5 I,V b7 I7 8've I, IV 1 1' 2+ 2' 1st 8've 2' 3'' 3 4+ 4' 5+ 5ob 2nd 8've 5ob 6 7 7+ 7od 8 9'+ 9'+ 10 10'+ 10+ 10od Eighth Position Major Scale Degree / Chords 1 I, IV 2 V 3 I 4 IV, V7 5 I, V 6 IV 7 V 8've I, IV 1 1' 1st 8've 1' 1ob 2'' 2' 3''' 3' 4+ 4' 2nd 8've 4' 4ob 5 5ob 6' 6ob 7+ 7od 3rd 8've 7od 8'+ 9 9'+ 9od 10''+ 10 10od Blues Scale Degree / Chords 1 I, IV b3 IV7 4 IV, V7 b5 5 I,V b7 I7 8've I, IV 1st 8've 1' 2+ 2' 3+ / 2 3''' 3 4' 2nd 8've 4' 5+ 5ob 6+ 6' 7 7od 3rd 8've 7od 8+ 9'+ 9+ 9od 10'+ 10od Ninth Position Major Scale Degree / Chords 1 I, IV 2 V 3 I 4 IV, V7 5 I, V 6 IV 7 V 8've I, IV 1+ 1' 1ob 2'' 3+ / 2 3'' 1st 8've 3'' 3' 4+ 4' 4ob 5 6+ 6' 2nd 8've 6' 6ob 7+ 7od 8'+ 9 9+ 9od 9od 10''+ 10+ 10od Blues Scale Degree / Chords 1 I, IV b3 IV7 4 IV, V7 b5 5 I,V b7 I7 8've I, IV 1' 1 1ob 2' 3'' 1st 8've 3'' 3 4' 4 4ob 5ob 6' 2nd 8've 6' 7 7od 8 8'+ 9'+ 9od 9od 10'+ 10od Tenth Position Major Scale Degree / Chords 1 I, IV 2 V 3 I 4 IV, V7 5 I, V 6 IV 7 V 8've I, IV 1+ 1 1ob 1st 8've 1ob 2'' 3+ / 2 3''' 3' 4+ 4 4ob 2nd 8've 4ob 5 6+ 6' 6ob 7+ 8 8'+ 8'+ 9 9+ 9od 10''+ 10+ Blues Scale Degree / Chords 1 I, IV b3 IV7 4 IV, V7 b5 5 I,V b7 I7 8've I, IV 1' 1ob 1st 8've 1ob 2' 3''' 3'' 3' 4' 4ob 2nd 8've 4ob 5ob 6' 6 6ob 7od 8'+ 8'+ 9'+ 9od 10 10''+ 10od Eleventh Position Major Scale Degree / Chords 1 I, IV 2 V 3 I 4 IV, V7 5 I, V 6 IV 7 V 8've I, IV 1+ 1 1ob 2'' 3+ / 2 3'' 3' 1st 8've 3' 4+ 4 4ob 5 6+ 6 6ob 2nd 8've 6ob 7+ 8 8'+ 9 9+ 10 10''+ Blues Scale Degree / Chords 1 I, IV b3 IV7 4 IV, V7 b5 5 I,V b7 I7 8've I, IV 1' 1ob 2+ 2'' 3''' 3' 1st 8've 3' 4' 4ob 5+ 5 6' 6ob 2nd 8've 6ob 7od 8'+ 8+ 9 9od 10''+ 10''+ 10od Twelfth Position Major Scale Degree / Chords 1 I, IV 2 V 3 I 4 IV, V7 5 I, V 6 IV 7 V 8've I, IV 1+ 1 2+ 2'' 1st 8've 2'' 3+ / 2 3'' 3' 4+ 4 5+ 5 2nd 8've 5 6+ 6 6ob 7+ 8 8+ 9 9 9+ 10 10''+ 10+ Blues Scale Degree / Chords 1 I, IV b3 IV7 4 IV, V7 b5 5 I,V b7 I7 8've I, IV 1+ 1ob 2'' 1st 8've 2'' 3''' 3' 3 4+ 4ob 5 2nd 8've 5 6' 6ob 7 7+ 8'+ 9 9 9od 10''+ 10'+ 10+ Chords, Octaves, and Splits Various playing techniques sound multiple notes at once to produce chord tones and octaves for a fuller sound. The effectiveness of the various accessible multi-note sequences changes with the playing position. When playing blues, we are generally interested in expressing or implying the I, IV, and V major chords and the associated “seventh” chords, I7, IV7, and V7 (which have an added flat 7th to the major chord). Other chords used in 8-bar blues are II7, III7, VI7, #IVdim (Idim), and IVm. See Adam Gussow's lesson on Eight Bar Blues (www.tradebit.com/filedetail.php/5423849-eight-bar-bluesprogressions- zip). Minor blues use the Im7, IVm7 and Vm7 and other chords. The following tables provide harmonica tablature for many of these chords in the first three positions. When a chord cannot be sounded in its entirety, it can be implied with single notes, the root and flat 7th being most effective, followed by the other chord tones, or perhaps by playing arpegios (chord tones played in sequence). First Position Major Chords Table 3: I7 Chord 1 3 5 b7 1+ 2+ 3+ / 2 3' 4+ 5+ 6+ 6ob 7+ 8+ 9+ 10''+ 10+ Table 4: IV7 Chord 1 3 5 b7 1+ 1ob 2'' 3'' 4+ 4ob 5 6 7+ 8'+ 9 10 10+ Table 5: V7 Chord 1 3 5 b7 1 2'' 3+ / 2 3 4 5 6+ 7 8 9 9+ 10'+ Table 6: III7 Chord 1 3 5 b7 1 2+ 3''' 3 4 5+ 6' 7 8 8+ 9od 10'+ Table 7: II7 Chord 1 3 5 b7 1+ 1 2' 3'' 4+ 4 5ob 6 7+ 8 9'+ 10 10+ Table 8: VI7 Chord 1 3 5 b7 1' 2+ 3+ / 2 3'' 4' 5+ 6+ 6 7od 8+ 9+ 10 10od Minor Chords Table 9: Im7 Chord 1 b3 5 b7 1+ 1ob 3+ / 2 3' 4+ 4ob 6+ 6ob 7+ 8'+ 9+ 10''+ 10+ Table 10: IVm7 Chord 1 b3 5 b7 1+ 1ob 2'' 3''' 4+ 4ob 5 6' 7+ 8'+ 9 9od 10+ Table 11: Vm7 Chord 1 b3 5 b7 1' 2'' 3+ / 2 3' 4' 5 6+ 6ob 7od 9 9+ 10''+ 10od Diminished Chords Table 12: #IVdim7 Chord 1 b3 b5 bb7 (6) 1+ 1ob 2' 3'' 4+ 4ob 5ob 6 7+ 8'+ 9'+ 10 10+ Second Position Major Chords Table 13: I7 Chord 1 3 5 b7 1 2'' 3+ / 2 3 4 5 6+ 7 8 9 9+ 10'+ Table 14: IV7 Chord 1 3 5 b7 1+ 2+ 3+ / 2 3' 4+ 5+ 6+ 6ob 7+ 8+ 9+ 10''+ 10+ All blow notes are in the IV chord. Table 15: V7 Chord 1 3 5 b7 1+ 1 2' 3'' 4+ 4 5ob 6 7+ 8 9'+ 10 10+ Table 16: III7 Chord 1 3 5 b7 1ob 2' 3'' 3 4ob 5ob 6 7 8'+ 9'+ 10 10'+ Table 17: II7 Chord 1 3 5 b7 1' 2+ 3+ / 2 3'' 4' 5+ 6+ 6 7od 8+ 9+ 10 10od Table 18: VI7 Chord 1 3 5 b7 1 2+ 3''' 3 4 5+ 6' 7 8 8+ 9od 10'+ Minor Chords Table 19: Im7 Chord 1 b3 5 b7 1' 2'' 3+ / 2 3' 4' 5 6+ 6ob 7od 9 9+ 10''+ 10od Table 20: IVm7 Chord 1 b3 5 b7 1+ 1ob 3+ / 2 3' 4+ 4ob 6+ 6ob 7+ 8'+ 9+ 10''+ 10+ Table 21: Vm7 Chord 1 b3 5 b7 1+ 1 3''' 3'' 4+ 4 5 6 7+ 8 9 10 10+ Table 22: IIIm7 Chord 1 b3 5 b7 1 2' 3'' 3 4 5ob 6 7 8 9'+ 10 10'+ Table 23: IIm7 Chord 1 b3 5 b7 1+ 2+ 3+ / 2 3'' 4+ 5+ 6+ 6 7+ 8+ 9+ 10 10+ Table 24: VIm7 Chord 1 b3 5 b7 1 2+ 3+ / 2 3 4 5+ 6+ 7 8 8+ 9+ 10'+ Diminished Chords Table 25: #IVdim7 Chord 1 b3 b5 bb7 (6) 1 2+ 3+ / 2 3' 4' 5+ 6+ 6ob 7od 8+ 9+ 10''+ 10od Third Position Major Chords Table 26: I7 Chord 1 3 5 b7 1+ 1 2' 3'' 4+ 4 5ob 6 7+ 8 9'+ 10 10+ Table 27: IV7 Chord 1 3 5 b7 1 2'' 3+ / 2 3 4 5 6+ 7 8 9 9+ 10'+ Table 28: V7 Chord 1 3 5 b7 1' 2+ 3+ / 2 3'' 4' 5+ 6+ 6 7od 8+ 9+ 10 10od Table 29: III7 Chord 1 3 5 b7 1' 2+ 2' 3' 4' 5+ 5ob 6ob 7od 8+ 9'+ 10''+ 10od Table 30: II7 Chord 1 3 5 b7 1 2+ 3''' 3 4 5+ 6' 7 8 8+ 9od 10'+ Table 31: VI7 Chord 1 3 5 b7 1ob 2' 3'' 3 4ob 5ob 6 7 8'+ 9'+ 10 10'+ Minor Chords Table 32: Im7 Chord 1 b3 5 b7 1+ 1 2'' 3'' 4+ 4 5 6 7+ 8 9 10 10+ Table 33: IVm7 Chord 1 b3 5 b7 1' 2'' 3+ / 2 3' 4' 5 6+ 6ob 7od 9 9+ 10''+ 10od Table 34: Vm7 Chord 1 b3 5 b7 1+ 2+ 3+ / 2 3'' 4+ 5+ 6+ 6 7+ 8+ 9+ 10 10+ Diminished Chords Table 35: #IVdim7 Chord 1 b3 b5 bb7 (6) 1 2'' 3''' 3 4 5 6' 7 8 9 9od 10'+ |
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Thanks Buddha. I tried once to do skype with my old computer and it wouldn't work. It's missing something. I was told what it was missing, but can't remember. Why don't you move to Elk Falls, KS and then we could trade lessons. You teach me blow bends and overblows and I'll teach you squirrel hunting and carp fishing. You just can't get a better deal than that. |
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that's too bad.
I can generally get people to OB and bend in about five minutes. Many times in about 30sec. It's all about airflow control. I'm from MN, I know about hunting squirrels and fishing for carp. I think carp is some of the best smoked fish you can eat. |
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wow, is that ever a complete and exhaustive encyclopedic summary of the Diatonic harmonica Tom.
Thank you, Adam and Mr. So and So.. the unknown author for all that work That said... I know the scales ,, and where they lie on the harp,, not only the 12 blues and 12 modes, (positions) but the 12 major and minor, the augmented , diminished , melodic minor, harmonic minor. and so on... if one knows the notes on a harp and knows why and how one scale differs from another it is a no brainer and can be done on the fly... sax players may play several different scales in a solo chorus... choosing and modifiying them on the fly... some guitarist do as well... I can also spell any chord you wish just as quick as you can spell your name.. ... but again.. contorting to produce all the notes of them all on a particular harp seems a hell of a lot of work vs playing a chord harp.. or a harp containing the desired chord or a diad of it.already. the problem is physically playing all those notes.. and even if one can (I cannot,,, or to satisfy Buddha, Walter Tore and others who say You Can if You Think You Can....I cannot yet..... on the other hand... yet will never come , because I see no reason to play in 12th to obtain as A. Gussow pointed out.. a Major 7th chord,, when one exists on a Country Tuned harp right there in 2nd position ...nor many of the other calisthenics harmonica players go thru modifying notes... why not get a chromatic, or learn to play a real saxophone.. or use a harp with a modified tuning.... When I first started hangin with guys who earned money at music... they told me the best way to do anything is to do it the easiest way... that most working pro's are not out to prove anything,, but merely to play enough of the songs arrangement to make it readily identifiable and pleasing to the audience. Later I found this to be very true .....when I found that nearly all the recordings coming out of LA , NY and Nashville were NOT played by the band or "artist" whose name was on the record... and some of the studio cats who DID the work on the recording would then be engaged to teach a dumbed down version to the "Star" performer.... and the live audiences never know the difference. therefore many of the "name" performers are doing just as stated... the simplest possible, easiest method to create the overall sound of the recording.. and not spending their time trying to duplicate the studio cats licks . to me , same thing goes for harmonica.... no problem with anyone who wants to do incredible stunts... playing a harmonica in 12 keys etc.. but it seems to me , when you can buy 12 harmonicas of good quality for the price of one repadding of my horn... that it is not an efficient means of producing music , of course , I guess it depends on what one wants out of music... to just have fun , and or make money.. to have fun trying to achieve perfection...te be recognized as a great artist , and so on... all are valid pursuits... me I just want the money, and the women... could care less what other musicians think of me,, except the guy paying me.. ![]() case in point,, does anyone think Bob Dylan agonizes over the fact that 98 of 100 harmonica players think he sucks ![]() ![]() or that that guy from Kiss would pause in his conquest of 4 thousand two hundred and some females to bemoan the fact that I think he looks like an idiot ?there's artistic recognition.. and then there is money, and s** and all that fun stuff people like that artsy stuff tho... think about Dressage in horsey circles.. what the heck is that good for at round up time.. or to pull the pickup out of the mud... but it is pretty and people like it.... same with these exhibitions of overblowing and such... it sure impresses me... but in the end.. the song gets played one way or another....and most folks are not there for the band anyway, they are there to rub bellies together like Boyscouts rub sticks... to get something to start sparkin. |
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Buddha can surely relate to this-12th position is the sweetest sounding on the harmonica. And,as Howard states,is basically first postion without the dark sounding low notes. It is much more melodic sounding,and does not require the 6 overblow to make it sound sweet-I think it is relatively easy to hit the step and a half 3 hole bend for the blue third,and the half step 3 for the major 4th. The problem for some may be hitting these consecutively and at will.
Like Buddha says-he starts out raw beginners on Happy Birthday 12th position from the 4 blow. Now -for some killer 12th position-checkout Dennis Gruenling on "JUMP TIME" performing "Twelve O'Clock Jump" on a Low F harp while the band is in Bb. From the same disc-"The Jumpin' Blues"-Dennis uses a C Chromatic 12th position,while the band plays in F. |
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well, that is why when Dennis performs , I am paying to be there, and he is getting paid to be there
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I used to work with a guy who played in a New Wave band back in the day. The were called The Positions. Bob (yes, another Bob) had a bumper sticker that read: I know all the Positions! They disbanded and later came back as a new band with some new members, so his new bumper sticker read: I know all the New Positions!
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Here is Jon Gindick playing a nice tune in 12th position:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KOXz6W3I7Q
And a tasty lesson by Buddha:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys86fFfylRw |
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That was a very good lesson from Buddha.
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